Note that his irritation in this case isn't seen at any other time: he isn't upset with Jack for treating "Christian" like his father, nor Ben for treating "Alex" like his (adopted) daughter, etc. Locke encounters Christian in the FDW chamber at the bottom of the well during a time period which must be sometime prior to 1867 due to the presence of the Tawaret statue. A gang of black militants plots to rob a factory to finance their "revolutionary struggle". The Man in Black tells Richard that he only has one chance to kill the devil, and when Richard unsuccessfully returns after talking to Jacob, the Man in Black got angry that Jacob got in the way, he just said "him" instead of "Jacob". The Man In Black from Lost has an extremely long kill-list that we probably didn’t even see 1% of, but he has the advantage of being immortal. Likewise, during their conversation "Yemi" chastises Eko for speaking "to me as if I were your brother." Using that logic, it's technically the river/water killing Jacob, not Smokey. Would add thematic depth to the short-lived Locke/Eko rivalry: Eko was killed for embracing his own free will and a firm morality whereas Locke survived in virtue of his belief in destiny and corresponding moral weakness ("Boone was a sacrifice the island demanded," etc.). Darlton suggested in the podcast for Across The Sea that Jacob didn't technically kill the MiB because it was indirect. Its reason for not being able to harm Jacob was not because Mother had made it so because they were brothers, but because the Monster was simply unable to hurt the Protector of the Island. MIB promised both Jin and Sun that he could reunite them and they could be with Ji Yeon. Once the light is extinguished, Smokey is no more. So John Locke had a part in destroying the MIB. With Tommy Lee Jones, Will Smith, Linda Fiorentino, Vincent D'Onofrio. It can shift into someone's form as long as that person is dead. When Eko first saw him, MiB took a "photograph" or "memorized him" (or however you want to say it) by pointing a light beam at Eko. The Man In Black is the main antagonist of the science-fiction mystery drama TV series Lost, which lasted 6 whole seasons.He was portrayed by Titus Welliver. The problem with this is that it causes the entire storyline to fall apart given that MIB would then be able to see his own demise. However, the ending of season two may have provided us with an incredible twist about the character. This is a simple one. No, of course not, both can, and are killed, both play by rules, and both are (albeit, somewhat) bound by human emotions and motivations. Stated as questions or possibilities (avoid question marks, "Maybe", "I think", etc). Jacob couldn't kill the Man in Black because of the rules, however his unique communion with death and the island itself allowed him to "cheat death" by stealing control of the smoke device as his soul left his mortal body. With Betty Ann Davies, Sheila Burrell, Sidney James, Anthony Forwood. A one-stop shop for all things video games. The Man in Black was born on the Island after his pregnant mother Claudia's ship wrecked off-shore. He did the same with his own previous form, Alex Rousseau and, most notably, John Locke throughout the entirety of season six. Also, Amy insisted they buried the bodies of the hostiles in 1974. MIB is able to "trap" his followers by offering them the thing they want most, and is able to manipulate them by hanging it in front of them (like a carrot on a stick). The compass does not necessarily constitute a "predestination paradox" (temporal causality loop), as long as MiB switched the compasses (offscreen) in 2007: Richard gives the 'new' one to John Locke (starting point of the compass journey) who travels back in time to 1954 where compass posession changes to Richard. With Jimmie Fails, Jonathan Majors, Rob Morgan, Tichina Arnold. The symbiont ceased to exist - leaving his "human" form - when the heart of the island was temporarily off. These visions are not mimics. The Man in Black knew that the other smoke monster was the devil, so he told Richard to kill him (He knew Richard would immediately think that Jacob was the Devil, but the Man in Black wanted Jacob dead too anyway, so it didn't matter for him to tell Richard that Jacob wasn't the Devil). The special effects the show had access to didn’t really do his first appearances much justice, but it’s still a very unique concept. As such, Jack Shepard saw his father roaming around a fair few times. Considering that this is Lost and Westworld we’re talking about, expect a lot of confusion to follow. The Man in Black then tracks down a drunken Sawyer (Josh Holloway), who recently lost Juliet. MIB offers Claire the chance to reunite with Aaron again (yet his claim that Aaron is held by the Others is a lie, both as Claire's "friend" and as the apparition of Christian Shephard). The monster was an entity that existed on the Island long, long before the MIB arrived, trapped in the Light without a host's body to inhabit and allow it to leave, perhaps by Mother. Your source for entertainment news, celebrities, celeb news, and celebrity gossip. Kissy (Physical Body, Off-Screen) 10. In season 1, after it scanned Locke, it tries dragging him into a hole but is stopped by Jack and Kate, when they throw dynamite down the hole. To touch or claim a person off the island he therefore must smuggle a physical object in his possession off the Island (the "loophole"?). Smokey was the boosted manifestation of the MIB's soul: He wanted to leave the island at all costs, he felt betrayed by "Mother" and by Jacob and he was disgusted by people in general - all before his dead in the light. Yemi's post-death appearance was the Man in Black trying to find his loophole to kill Jacob but because Eko was unwilling to change he wouldn't have been accepted by The Others as a leader, so the smoke monster killed him. Eko's final words to John Locke was "you're next" meaning that the Man in Black was going to try John Locke for his loophole. In 2004, at Colleen Pickett's Funeral, her body is burned by the others and sent out to sea, because the others didn't want the monster to take her form. Mother represents both parts of the protector of the Island (the jacob and MIB parts). In the dramatic reveal, we also get the first hint that The Man In Black knew William and that they are one and the same. Speculative and lacking any evidence to support arguments. Another rebuttal: Richard said he buried Alex after Miles walked over her grave, and Alex appeared to Ben in the temple. He was, however, unable to leave the island because the Protector retained the ability to control who comes and goes. This was the devil smoke killing the officers, and then it tries to kill "Isabella", but fails. This sale is for one VHTF Lost MAN IN BLACK #420. It would be like someone inviting you to their home where a bunch of the other guests try to kill you, but you don't leave because you think one of them will burn the house down, and if the house is burned down the entire world will be set ablaze. In the smoke monster form she destroyed the Roman village. So, Jacob brought a bunch of people to the Island, made crazy drama in their lives, and there was no grander purpose. This is because half of it is the Man in Black's consciousness, and the other part is the Devil. Sale is as is and I do not accept returns. Jacob and the Man in Black hate each other, but agree to respect each other while the devil is still alive. (In contrast, Admiral Kirk's reading glasses in the second and fourth Star Trek movie constitute such a time paradox: as from the moment in the future he receives the glasses there will be additional wear and tear which will travel back in time together with the glasses but can't be there once they arrive back in the future because they haven't occurred yet). Its misbeliefs led to its own death. Man in Black (Lost) A fictional character and the main antagonist on the American TV series lost, ABC is most often called the man in Black. Likewise, manipulating Ben to kill Jacob is indirect and doesn't break the rule. If MIB was right, that would mean that he was the ultimate victim of the island -- all he wanted to do was get off the Island because of he was (non-consensually) forced to stay on it. Other visions of dead people, especially those viewed by Hurley, are from the Island/Jacob. The possibilities I see to explain this are: It isn't MIB, but the actual "ghost" of Christian. Jacob (Iacob in Latin) is a fictional character of the ABC television series Lost played by Mark Pellegrino.He was first mentioned as the true leader of the Others by Ben Linus and was described as a "great man" that was also "brilliant", "powerful" and "unforgiving". Smokey is gone. He chooses the container of sand, THE COMPASS, and then as the comment above me states, he chooses the knife instead of "The Book of Laws". A young man searches for home in the changing city that seems to have left him behind. How would the MIB know who Locke is, know about their conversation in 2004, and know that he has friends that he needs to return to the Island a century or more in the future? At the time, the smoke monster's true nature had not been revealed, so whether or not Christian was still alive was still an important mystery. MIB exists outside normal space-time, allowing him to know about 2004 events a century beforehand. The apparition is not the smoke monster itself, though the smoke monster can project your memories. Jacob is not allowed to kill his brother. Dolores Abernathy (Physical Body, 2 times) 8. This resulted in him believing in "the rules" and having a desire to "Go Home". The Man in Black Is a Mysterious Figure in both Westworld and Lost In both Westworld and Lost, The Man in Black is referred to in discussion boards as … The smoke monster is the result of Jacob breaking the rules, i.e. Check out the hottest fashion, photos, movies and TV shows! There were three important deaths in the May 11 episode: The Man in Black, the Man in Black's mother, and the show's momentum. Westworld’s version of the character has killed hundreds of hosts, as well as six (as far as we know) humans. Smoke Monster #2 - The Devil. Directed by Francis Searle. Therefore Kate finished it. So are Sun and Jin. RELATED: 10 Great Movies to Watch If You Like HBO’s Westworld. With Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway, Yunjin Kim, Evangeline Lilly. A yogi seemingly dies while simulating death and his evil second … Season one of Westworld was incredibly confusing, but nothing in comparison to season two. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Marvel's Spider-Man: The Black Cat Strikes #4, by Dennis Hallum, Luca Maresca, Rachelle Rosenberg, Travis Danham and Sana Takeda, available now. He was born on the Island with his brother, the Man in Black, and lived there, eventually in the statue of Taweret, until his brother convinced Ben to kill him. The Man in Black is not evil, he simply wants to leave the Island. When Jacob chucked the Man in Black down the centre of the island, the black smoke comes out, twice as big as otherwise seen. Build 31 of hybrid James Delos 5. 'Men in black' are said to keep witnesses of strange events quiet. 3. The Man In Black from Lost is an immortal guy who has only ever existed on the Island. It killed the Pilot, Eko, and Rousseau's team. The Man In Black from Lost is literally made of smoke. When their adopted mother heard, she blindfolded the boys and led them to a cave where a stream flowed in… However, for a good few thousands of years, he was unable to die. RELATED: LOST: Every Season Finale, Ranked According To IMDb. Eko saw his past on that light. The man in black is considered evil and Jacob is considered good. Using the confusion of the 2007 time shift appearance of the injured John Locke at the Beechcraft site, the (fake) Locke (aka MiB) switches his ('new') compass with the ('old') one Richard Alpert has been carrying for years. The CCTV footage was released on the YouTube channel ApexTV, allegedly sent by a man … Rebuttal: Amy insisted this because of the truce between the others and the DI, not necessarily because of the monster. A woman on the Island delivered him and his twin brother Jacob but killed their mother and raised them herself. Mr Eko, Juliet, John etc. When he said, "you have no idea how much I want to kill you", he wasn't speaking as his sibling, but as a resentful Monster who thought it was finally free and found itself once again bound in chains by the Protector, able to roam the Island freely but never able to leave. From 1954 to 2007 the compass passes forward in normal time with Richard until MiB recollects it (switch) in 2007. It's safe to assume in the alternate reality the Island either didn't exist or didn't exist to the characters which is the same thing. MIB travelled through time with the Losties. A young man searches for home in the changing city that seems to have left him behind. This meant he could repel bullets, survive being stabbed by Sayid without even feeling pain, and had immunity to explosions. Richard visits Locke in 1961 and performs the "Dalai Lama" test during which John Locke (as a 5-year-old and for the first time in his life) picks / touches the compass but eventually settles for the knife (though Richard notices young John's premonition painting of the smoke monster, he is disappointed that John doesn't go for the compass, yet unaware that the compass never belonged to John Locke in the first place!). Jacob was only able to bring people to the island because the island allowed him to. 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The finale was absolutely full of twists and turns coming from every corner, but the very best of them all was the revelation that William was The Man In Black of the past. So it seems highly unlikely that MIB can see all times. There, as many as 40 black men are missing there per 100 black women. Smoke Monster #1 - The Man in Black's essence. This irritated tone could also be due to frustration. Again, notice that he physically touches everyone he meets (with the exception of Ilana who he had apparently met before - notice he also wears gloves and is dressed in black in that scene, including Locke. "The Substitute" is the fourth episode of Season 6 of Lost and the 107th produced hour of the series as a whole. This is why the Smoke Monster comes out of the cave so angry, and why the Light must still be protected from him. FSW was a manifestation of what the characters wanted, not something that was actually taking place. Maybe there is no more evil force on the island unless somebody comes to corrupt it. First the man in black, I don't recall hearing his name, and Jacob are actually brothers. "He is slim, 6ft, black trousers and possibly a black hooded top. Posted on Tuesday, August 3rd, 2010 by Peter Sciretta I always thought this was one of those really stupid questions Lost fanatics obsess over. Black lives matter, and that should include the lives tragically lost in the riots following the horrific police killing of George Floyd. Jacob gives people what they want, as long as they are willing to make a sacrifice, because he had to make a sacrifice and he believes it is for the "greater good". There's a notable shift in acting styles - the Man In Black when he was human, when he was Jacob's brother Similarly, tangible apparitions such as Kate's horse and Hugo's imaginary friend Dave are a product of the Island. John Locke ceased to push the buttons in the Swan Station, Eko felt the necessity to continue doing so. This is a simple one. The FST was a manifestation of an alternate reality where the plane did not crash. Even though it differs between shows, which one is the best? I did my best." 2007). This article or section has been nominated for a, He Turned Into the Smoke Monster because of the Rules, He turned into The Monster because Jacob thought so, Method of Control/Persuasion/Manipulation of others. If you knock someone out and then they float down river into the Source, that's indirect enough not to break the rules. The "appearance" of MIB is drawn out of the observer's mind. Rather than let young John Locke keep any of the items, Richard takes them back. He told Jack that the light/Island doesn't need protecting. Titus Welliver, who played the Man in Black, apparently respected that, because he worked hard to avoid leaking any twists in advance. This appearance is presumably the Man in Black, given that he speaks to Locke about the conversation they had in the cabin regarding the moving of the island. The Smoke Monster however could take on the form of Jacob's nameless brother and also access (i.e. Before Eko's death, "Yemi" tries to elicit a moral change in him. In conclusion, with this now written by a different user, the Man In Black was not the Smoke Monster. The fact that Lost introduced this cloud of smoke so early on and didn’t reveal what its existence meant or even was for five seasons is one of the few commendable points left in a show that really took its audience astray in the latter seasons. As such, we could still make sense of the storylines we were being presented with, and the twists were able to impact us because we understood them. LOST’s Man in Black’s Name Finally Confirmed? MiB became the smoke monster because he went into the light AND he was special, he didn't die, his unique (but evil) spirit was removed, his fake mom did stuff to him and Jacob as children/infants, Claire and Sayid had a similar experience but they were not really special, so instead went crazy/numb. Unlike Jacob, MiB is stuck on the Island and has no means to "touch" and influence people off the island. It is possible that this was the end to the conflict between good and evil on the island. It began talking to Jack under the belief that he/it really was Locke when they were lowering Desmond towards the Light. MIB can scan the memories of the observer and choose an appearance based on that. Eko refuses, however, saying, "I did not ask for the life that I was given. Bash Jacob's head in until he's unconscious and then throw him into a river face down. In the form of the dark brother the smoke monster was confronted with his memories of hate and it changed massively (like No-Face in Spirited Away). There was a Smokey before MIB and mostly likely a smokey after MIB. It was trying to pull Locke down the cave to hell, because of how jealous it was of him that he was healed by the island. If they remain good, he is proven right; if they turn bad, the smoke monster can kill them (we've seen this happen to Eko). With Jimmie Fails, Jonathan Majors, Rob Morgan, Tichina Arnold. Another revelation that came in the season one finale is that The Man In Black is actually the majority shareholder. You are all wrong about what young John chooses. Every night was spent alone with a magnum of wine…The bottom line for this particular Man in Black tale is unfortunately pretty mundane. There's a notable shift in acting styles - the Man In Black when he was human, when he was Jacob's brother, when he was sad, and broken, and confused, when he didn't know who he was or where he belonged, and the Man In Black when he was just a puppet of the Monster's, homicidal and arrogant and cold. https://lostpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Man_in_Black/Theories?oldid=1117017. This list shows the victims Man in Black has killed: 1. Welliver played "The Representative" in two episodes of Prison Break, portrayed Kyle Hollis (a.k.a. Before he was lost to the Light, the Man In Black was bitter and psychologically lost, but he wasn't sadistic or violent. The Last Black Man in San Francisco Critics Consensus. Seems a pretty good loophole to me. So he was putting rules about the source, altough not intentionally. Alex was buried by Richard, but even though MIB could take her form. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Jack was dressed in dark (not quite black) clothes that became darker throughout the episode (because they got wetter), echoing his transition into "The Man in Black". The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. This page was last edited on 6 August 2020, at 13:41. Speculation without supporting evidence can be deleted. he harmed and killed his brother. A yogi seemingly dies while simulating death and his evil second wife, and her daughter, try to force his daughter into insanity for control of his estate. Jacob then finds the Man in Black's physical body and places it with the woman's in the cave where she had been living with Jacob, along with a pouch containing the black and white stones they used in the box game. It's like a copy made of the psyche. But if this appearance is the "real" Christian then that would imply that the encounter with Locke in the cabin was also the "real" Christian, and that does not appear to be the case. The Man in Black never was the Smoke Monster. 1. Otherwise, he was an average human. In the final season of Lost, the centuries-long struggle between Jacob and the Man in Black finally came to a head, as Jacob's pool of candidates narrowed to a final few, and the Man in Black … Jacob couldn't kill the Man in Black because of the rules, however his unique communion with death and the island itself allowed him to "cheat death" by stealing control of the smoke device as his soul left his mortal body. Maybe very specific conditions have to be meet for a complete imprinting can be taken place, such as a loophole existing or a specific chain of events have to take place. The monster can take the form of dead bodies if they are not buried, Yemi, Christian, Locke. Created by J.J. Abrams, Jeffrey Lieber, Damon Lindelof. Feel free to add supporting evidence to an existing theory. It could be the case that Smokey is simply the perversion of the person who falls into the. 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